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| + Pelador | May 21 2015, 03:57 PM Post #1 |
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Toguru from Yu Yu Hakusho runs the DBZ gauntlet. How far can he go? Saiyan Saga Radditz Nappa Vegeta Freeza Saga Cui Vegeta Dodoria Zarbon Monster Zarbon Recoome Jeice Burter Ginyu Freeza first form Freeza second form Freeza third form Freeza fourth form Freeza 50% Freeza 100% Cell Saga Android 19 Android 20 Cyborg 18 Cyborg 17 Inperfect Cell Android 16 Semi Perfect Cell Cell Junior Initial perfect Cell Cell games Perfect Cell warm up 50% Perfect Cell 100% Perfect Cell Super Perfect cell I can't see him getting past First form Freeza but I can imagine him beating Ginyu. |
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| + supersaqer | May 21 2015, 07:43 PM Post #2 |
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Gets horribly stomped by Raditz, and it's not even a fight. |
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| + Pelador | May 21 2015, 08:12 PM Post #3 |
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What makes you think that? Toguru's an absolute beast. The ki he gave off at 80% of his power was enough to vaporise anyone nearby with low enough power and he tanked a giant a*** axe in the shoulder whilst using less than 30% of his full power. Plus he also had regeneration abilities. He had his neck broken and a hole blasted though his arm and he healed straight away. He also tanked a giant a*** ki blast similar to Goku's Kamehameha twice without taking any damage. Then there's the fact that at 100% power, he could literally explode people by flicking his thumbs. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 21 2015, 08:28 PM Post #4 |
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The ki raditz had at 30% was enough to vaporize the moon His speed is double digit Mach. Can't remember how fast toguro was I think in physical attacks they're close Raditz can fly too |
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| + Pelador | May 21 2015, 08:52 PM Post #5 |
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I don't recall anything about Radditz vaporising the moon with just his aura. No one could see Toguru's movements at 100%. The force of his swings was so fast and powerful that even being close to them was enough to rip limbs off. |
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| + supersaqer | May 21 2015, 11:01 PM Post #6 |
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"He also tanked a giant a*** ki blast similar to Goku's Kamehameha..." How do you know this? That feat isn't worth anything. Krillin, in the 21st TB, was disappearing from people's sight with absolute ease, and you know how he's compared to the list you put. Toguro is at best 22nd TB level. Raditz flicks his finger, and Toguro explodes. |
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| + Pelador | May 22 2015, 12:13 AM Post #7 |
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Krillin was disappearing from humans sight but not his own peers. Not even Yusuke powered up could get near Toguru when he was at 100%. He was being flicked around all over the place. Nobody in Dragonball showed that kind of speed, raw power and durability. His aura by itself was shaking the whole arena to pieces and vaporising Yokai. The only person in Dragonball you might argue could cause as much destruction as Togoru was King Piccolo. But that was only his concentrated ki blasts, not his aura. In every other area Toguro lol stomps Dragonball. |
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| + Steve | May 22 2015, 12:27 AM Post #8 |
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Yeah in terms of physical strength Toguro outclasses Dragon Ball easily. He should get to Frieza saga in terms of strength but speed is hard to argue. If it was an arm wrestling Gauntlet he'd get way far in to Frieza Saga but in an actual fight I think he tops out at Nappa, Ki blasts from DBZ are too much hax. He could probably do severe damage to Nappa though just not tank all his blasts since he has way greater reserves. It's kind of annoying that Yu Yu Hakusho has almost no stated speed feats, it's very hard to gauge how fast anyone is. If Toguro is disappearing before demon eyes though, he's way above Dragon Ball since general demons are super beings in comparison and not even the stronger ones like Hiei could follow Toguro's movements, IIRC. Hiei is also one of the speedsters in the series so all the more notable. Actually he might take Nappa, if he acts like a fool and goes in for a hand to hand fight and Toguro grabs him he's f***ed. Though if he only rips an arm off for instance Nappa would probably blast him like crazy. |
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| + Pelador | May 22 2015, 12:51 AM Post #9 |
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The speed thing is what is making this so difficult. It's not like anyone is saying oh s*** he's moving at mach 5 in either series. Dragonball Z definitely has the edge with the ki blasts. Nappa famously levelling half a city with two fingers is such an example. That's something only A and S class Yokai were shown to be capable of. But Toguru's durability was shown to be crazy. He's right up there with Freeza in that regard. Strength wise, even the air around his fists when he throws punches will kill you. Strength = first form Freeza because of what his punches were doing. Durability = first form Freeza (Mostly because of regenerative powers) Speed = unknown. At the very least he should be as fast as Radditz. Top Tier fighters could not touch him. Guys who appear as blurs even to powerful demons. I dunno guys. |
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| + supersaqer | May 22 2015, 11:14 AM Post #10 |
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Yusuke was able to still see him IIRC, and that was Krillin from ages ago. They have. Go watch the 21st TB and the Red Ribbon Army saga. Goku was dodging bullets from everywhere and oneshotting soldiers. He was dodging guns that were specially made and were better than normal guns, with ease. That was post-Korin Goku. You're talking about people from part 2. 23rd TB Goku dodged Piccolo's blast mid-air, which crossed nearly the entire island in one panel. The island is comparable to a small continent in size. Show me Toguro doing anything even remotely close to that. Also exhausted and injured Goku completely tanked Piccolo's blast which razed, shook, and wiped everything off the island. Do not forget how big it was. You can't quantify those feats. Aizen's reiatsu can vaporize humans, but the energy needed to vaporize a human is extremely low. Goku didn't vaporize humans when he was walking around by them. Does this mean that Aizen > Goku because he did a feat Goku haven't done so? Also Nappa's feat is continent level, not just half a city . King Piccolo already can destroy an entire city without much effort.Spoiler: click to toggle The amount of down-play that Dragon Ball receives here is just agonizing... Edited by supersaqer, May 22 2015, 11:16 AM.
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| + Pelador | May 22 2015, 12:48 PM Post #11 |
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Nappa didn't clear a continent and Piccolo didn't clear a whole city. You can see in later panels that they only destroyed parts of the cities they were in. Admittedly still superior to what anyone in Yu Yu Hakisho has ever done with their ki. But they make up for their lack of ki abilities with speed and raw strength. Speaking of speed, I discovered some actual feats regarding it. I was watching a scene last night where Yusuke was outrunning a petrol tanker, meaning he had to be going at about 65mph to stay ahead of it. Toguru is even faster than that. Probably able to go over 100 judging by the fight they had together. Is there any where in Dragonball that shows they can run on foot at these kinds of speeds? And nobody in Dragonball could make giant craters in the ground with their fists either. |
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| + Steve | May 22 2015, 01:14 PM Post #12 |
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I vaguely remember the tanker scene... Isn't that when Sniper is attacking Yusuke? At that point it didn't seem like he was at full power and given the nature of Snipers power he could have made it move faster. I think that kinda downplays their speed really, it's a weird scene, almost filler-y. But anyway even if he's slow all he really needs to do is tank attacks and grab his opponent. Against good guys perhaps he could make use of other people, absorb their souls so they go apes***, like when Goku punched Dr. Gero. He's smarter than pretty much every DB character and more manipulative. It's a shame that he never used any energy based attacks, he should certainly have had some from being a master level with Genkai but all he did was fight with pure strength. Well he does but I think they might be anime only. |
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| + Pelador | May 22 2015, 01:19 PM Post #13 |
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Yusukue can't tap into his full power unless he see one of his friends in mortal danger. If Toguro had any kind of ki blast then he would have been Monster Zarbon level at the very minimum. Edited by Pelador, May 22 2015, 01:21 PM.
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| + supersaqer | May 22 2015, 06:58 PM Post #14 |
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That was a continent sized blast. Piccolo outright stated that he destroyed a city. Some cities in Japan are next to each other, so he destroyed the smaller city that was next to the capital of the DB world. So pretty much yeah. There are feats in Yu Yu Hakusho which is superior to Piccolo's feat. What are you saying? That feat is garbage, and travel speed isn't used primarily in battles. As I said, not every mangaka uses the same way of destruction as other mangaka. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 22 2015, 07:09 PM Post #15 |
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Toguro can't casually blow up the moon and as far as we know, fight at hypersonic speeds. I'd say saiyan saga is all he gets to overall. Physical attacks...middle of namek saga sounds about right |
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. King Piccolo already can destroy an entire city without much effort.

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